Oh, totally. And yeah, that's pretty much what happened; you're not mis-remembering anything.
I'm pretty sure those might've been the only two scenarios that may have managed to register with him as possible too, really. I think, if he thought he had any chance at standing up to them to keep anything anyway, he wouldn't have just been stuck in a "scream and run" mindset. When all you can hope to escape with is your life... well. It doesn't help anything when that hope is slim, right?
I guess some of the part that I'm stuck on is the difference between deliberately thinking to do something that's to someone else's detriment (like deciding to leave his guys on the other side of those walls) and simply neglecting to think to do anything to their benefit (like order them all to pull back behind the wall with him, because it didn't even cross his mind to. Which is pretty fail in and of itself, IMHO.) It's like the difference between taking the last of the of pie just so no one else could have it, versus not leaving any pie because you didn't realize someone didn't get any yet. The former's kinda mean (and selfish) and the latter's just... well, it's kinda fail, is all.
Still a little stumped on how potential inclusion by association isn't thought of as being all that distinct from deliberate inclusion by clear specification, too. But then, by that point, I think Serph could've probably demanded that Harley become their jester, and Harley would've agreed if it meant he'd be left alive to do that.
TL;DR -- Serph should've had the option to try taking him up on his offer, so we could see how it might've gone. Maybe even make Harley join them. I'd have loved having him in my party, even if he sucked. lol
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Date: 2010-05-09 08:45 am (UTC)I'm pretty sure those might've been the only two scenarios that may have managed to register with him as possible too, really. I think, if he thought he had any chance at standing up to them to keep anything anyway, he wouldn't have just been stuck in a "scream and run" mindset. When all you can hope to escape with is your life... well. It doesn't help anything when that hope is slim, right?
I guess some of the part that I'm stuck on is the difference between deliberately thinking to do something that's to someone else's detriment (like deciding to leave his guys on the other side of those walls) and simply neglecting to think to do anything to their benefit (like order them all to pull back behind the wall with him, because it didn't even cross his mind to. Which is pretty fail in and of itself, IMHO.) It's like the difference between taking the last of the of pie just so no one else could have it, versus not leaving any pie because you didn't realize someone didn't get any yet. The former's kinda mean (and selfish) and the latter's just... well, it's kinda fail, is all.
Still a little stumped on how potential inclusion by association isn't thought of as being all that distinct from deliberate inclusion by clear specification, too. But then, by that point, I think Serph could've probably demanded that Harley become their jester, and Harley would've agreed if it meant he'd be left alive to do that.
TL;DR -- Serph should've had the option to try taking him up on his offer, so we could see how it might've gone. Maybe even make Harley join them. I'd have loved having him in my party, even if he sucked. lol